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We took turns reading pieces of the physical book out loud. While one person is reading, the others will take notes in a digital copy of the text. | We took turns reading pieces of the physical book out loud. While one person is reading, the others will take notes in a digital copy of the text. | ||
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''"The previous forms of borrowing in literature, collage and pastiche—taking a word from here, a sentence from there—were partially developed based on the amount of labor involved. Having to manually retype or hand-copy an entire book on a typewriter is one thing; cutting and pasting an entire book with three keystrokes—select all / copy / paste—is another."'' | ''"The previous forms of borrowing in literature, collage and pastiche—taking a word from here, a sentence from there—were partially developed based on the amount of labor involved. Having to manually retype or hand-copy an entire book on a typewriter is one thing; cutting and pasting an entire book with three keystrokes—select all / copy / paste—is another."''<br> | ||
Interesting how the ways we interact with content changes a lot depending on what the format is, and the possibilities of the technology at a certain time. | Interesting how the ways we interact with content changes a lot depending on what the format is, and the possibilities of the technology at a certain time. | ||
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Uncreative Writing: Bart's Notes
Date: 17/09/2025
Pad: https://pad.xpub.nl/p/UncreativeWriting_Notes
Reading group: Bart - Ema - Robin - Tommi - Youjung
Protocol:
We took turns reading pieces of the physical book out loud. While one person is reading, the others will take notes in a digital copy of the text.
Notes:
"The previous forms of borrowing in literature, collage and pastiche—taking a word from here, a sentence from there—were partially developed based on the amount of labor involved. Having to manually retype or hand-copy an entire book on a typewriter is one thing; cutting and pasting an entire book with three keystrokes—select all / copy / paste—is another."
Interesting how the ways we interact with content changes a lot depending on what the format is, and the possibilities of the technology at a certain time.
Interesting how they highlight that there is a difference between taking text and claiming it's your own vs taking something while giving credit. this is something I would a assume is logical myself.
Like how he shows how all the previous info has been inplemented in a real setting. Creativity will always prevail.
When giving credit where credit is due, how is this different from referencing books or works. If anything it makes text more clear for people who dont know every niche text you call by name.
How do current autors fit into this, if we edit what others edit and others edit before, will there be new things to add
Interesting to highlight the difference between visual art and writing, writing is not visual art?
fits with how I personally consume media, interesting
interesting to see this in comparison with AI development, text based AI was earlier but images are behind?
philosophy is has many different perspectives on the same texts
Reading Notes from Sibyl
Date:2025/10/01 Group Members:Barbara & Sibyl
All notes are based on the Etherpad.
The Art of Asking your Boss for a Raise - Georges Perec
~ Summary
You want to ask your boss for a raise, but every time you try, it gets ruined.
For instance:
·He doesn't look up when you knock
·None of his daughters have measles, but the fourth one is not OK > Wait 40 days.
·He swallowed a bone from the cafeteria lunch fish
“Narrative in the form of a flowchart, but there is only an input but no output. Stuck in a loop!”
~ Evaluation
- The design of the flowchart seems intentional but it’s a good hint for readers : the first 'playthrough' presents a more normal situation, which becomes increasingly absurd the deeper you delve.
- A lot of repeating sentences, if-statements, loops, like a code!
PROTOCOL
No punctuations !
A loop within the story with no exit !
~ Interpretation
- Connection to coding languages is very interesting
- You never actually ask for a raise. Only shows the process but you get stuck in a forever loop.
- Critique on company hierarchies: If your boss doesn't open te conversation to a possible raise then it will never happen even if you keep trying.
Rule and Constraint - Marcel Bénabou
~ Summary
- Hypocrisy of critics that laws of poetry/prose are seen as good but more unconventional constraints are "limiting the artist" including Anagrams, palindromes, lipograms, poetry (sonnet, anagrams) and so on.
- Language is a material object and a complex system of elements that form words/sentences/etc.
- Constraints go beyond assumed rules and reveal those two aspects.
- Some rules will not be a constraint , it will be a tool for someone to innovate something. Constraint is a tool to help explore new possibilities virtualities.
~ Evaluation
- Quite hard to understand.
- Tried to separate paragraphs and filter them to try to understand.
- Examples are hard to follow, we don't have the context.
~ Interpretation
- Oulipo pushes literary constraints to their other possibilities.
- Use tools to constitute process of deconstruction and restructuring.
- Interesting way of reframing materiality of language. Usually we think of the notebook as the object, not the written word itself.
- Tools in our brain help us combine words into sentences.
A Story as You Like It - Raymond Queneau
~ Summary
- Choose your own adventure book (hypertext version)
- Three peas are sleeping in a pod.
- You get two choices every time
~ Evaluation
- It's like a narrative adventure game.
- You have some power over what the story contains "This does not suit me" "I prefer they not dream".
- You voice your opinion! "I wish to see.." "I don't care.."
- How does this fit into the writing machine definition?
~ Interpretation
- Power of the reader over the narrative.
Comparison between The Art of Asking your Boss for a Raise & A Story as You Like It: the former you're the main character in the story, ACTOR // the later you're a reader casting judgement on the writer, REACTOR
Methods 2025-10-01: Group Discussions Of Texts That Had Been Read
Georges Perec: The Art of Asking your Boss for a Raise (1968)
- There are different versions of this work: a diagram, a text, a radio broadcast > we mostly engaged with the text and/or the diagram.
- The experiences of “reading” the flow chart and the text are very different:
- The concept of the diagram is a loop; a text is always linear.
- The diagram is the script of a computer program, the text is the entire iteration.
- The written text is prefaced with an intro by the translator, which gives helpful context.
- The text is not punctuated and only in lower case. This is probably meant to simulate a computer algorithm and mechanical processes, but it also resembles the stream of consciousness of a human. The lack of punctuation makes the text uncomfortable to read, it is easy to get lost in in it—but also entertaining.
- The subject (“you”) never actually asks for a raise. A possible interpretation: Perec is trying to critique hierarchy of companies.
- from the intro: there’s an “exhilarating potential of repetitiveness and recursion”
- “decide to try your luck afresh tomorrow”
- “circumperambulate”: to walk/wander without a destiny in circles (webster: to circle on foot especially ritualistically); in portuguese perambular means to wander
Marcel Bénabou: Rule and Constraint (1984)
- Rule is a metric or a form while a constraint is a generative result.
- Bénabou argues in favour of constraint and points to strict as well as freedom-based literary schools of thought. He argues that both are missing the whole point of language, which is to be treated as an object in itself, not a mere conveyor of information.
- Some forms of constraint are accepted/desired: poetic forms like an alexandrine or a sonnet (also, haiku or limerick) have specific rhyme schemes, or a set number of syllables or lines.
- Constraints does not confine the authors but liberates them, you escape from your own censorship.
- Constraints can enhance your creativity by limiting your toolset. Rules are for comprehension, constraints are for cerativity.
- Language is something material. Language and rules itself have a material.
- "Each page is a bed where letters lie"
- "Constraint forces the system out of its routine functioning, thereby compelling it to reveal its hidden resources"
- "Constraint goes beyond rules, people who have questioned language can escape the system and reveal hidden resources" – maybe a reason why someone starts to learn coding to understand the constraints
Raymond Queneau: A Story as You Like It (1967)
- Interesting to put this into the context of the time when it was created, modern day the stories are very complex but might have been interesting back in the days.
- All of the choices that you get at the end is very opinionated, everything is a opinion which is quite different from asking your boss for a raise. In this, reader casts a judgement to the choice and story.
Paul Fournel: The Theater Tree — A Combinatory Play
- Example for different ways of writing scripts/texts (like a "choose your own adventure games")
- Black mirror: pretended that the way the story was made is revolutionary, but actually it was not! Fournels ideas at the time also not revolutionary
- Similar structure to Italo Calvino's books
Michael Winkler: Where Signs Resemble Thoughts (1960s)
- Michael Winkler: both an author and an artist
- Language is a code that we all came up with it and agreed on.
- The point of a code: someone else has to be able to understand
- Winkler made symbols out of words by connecting the letters within a circle (there are other possible codes!)
- Connecting the words with the symbols, it's possible to reflect on the word itself > serendipity
- It is an interesting exercise to take language apart to look at the single components
- Ideographic from Greek: ideo = that is seen; gramma: letter / written sign
- Other writing systems are (more) symbolic in themselves (with e.g. Chinese a system like winkler's would be way more complicated)
- Winklers symbols on the circle visually resemble the connection between stars (as in astrology)
- Language as a code is underlying computing, but the codes in computing are very inaccessible to people using other writing systems
Ema's gatherings
Ema's space
don't write above this line, but underneath
Blog, Reflections and Piece of Writings
feel free to throw your link here!
Writing Machines: Technotexts and Media-Specific Analysis by Katherine N. Hayles
Reading group: Luca, Barbs, Soda and Daan.
Daan: One of the many discussions that sticked in SI28 was the discussion on technotexts and the meaning of them. Luca and Barbs explaining them to me, I was overthinking the meaning I guess. Definition the text said: when a literary work interrogates the inscription technology that produces it, it mobilizes reflexive loops between its imaginative world and the material apparatus embodying that creation as a physical presence. To clear it up even more, we gathered some examples of what they are:
- How to make a Dadaist poem by Tristan Tzara. https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88v/tzara.html
- Stanley Parable videogame
- Printed instructions on how to use the printer hanging above the printers at WdKa/PZi.
All technotexts are metatexts but not all metatexts are technotexts,, I believed was said by some classmates and tutor (Barbs, Tommi, Marloes(?)) while discussing this topic.